Sometimes leadership lessons come from boardrooms and strategy sessions—but the most powerful ones? They’re born in the hard seasons.

Last week, I joined Dzikamai Gangaidzo on The Shameless (T4L) Podcast for an open, honest conversation about what it really means to lead through life’s intersections—those unexpected detours that challenge who we are and how we show up.

We talked about the difference between toxic resilience (just “pushing through”) and true resilience—the kind that allows you to bend without breaking. I also opened up about my own emotional journey to empowerment—the tears, the doubts, and the courage it took to move from surviving to thriving. Because real growth doesn’t happen when we numb the pain; it happens when we allow ourselves to feel it, learn from it, and use it as fuel for what’s next.

Our emotions don’t make us weak—they make us whole. And when we lead from that place of emotional honesty, we empower not only ourselves but everyone watching us navigate change.

If you’ve ever faced a season where life didn’t go as planned, this episode will remind you that pain can be your greatest power source, and that leadership isn’t about having it all together—it’s about leading with empathy, courage, and curiosity.

Listen now: The Shameless Podcast – Reinventing Leadership When Life Doesn’t Go as Planned